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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.nomachetejuggling.com/2009/07/22/star-trek-1-10-an-outsiders-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-102847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I just remembered this review today, and how it&#039;s neat to see how the Star Trek films come off to someone who&#039;s never seen the TV shows.  Have you been introduced to &lt;a href=&quot;http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plinkett Reviews&lt;/a&gt; yet?  Its popularity took off when it started analyzing the Star Wars prequels, but in the beginning it was about a longtime fan of Star Trek who wanted to air his grievances about the new-series Star Trek movies in a humorous way, about how they didn&#039;t live up to the smart writing that the Next Generation TV series usually had, occasionally intercutting scenes from the older works to prove his points--so they let you see these movies from the opposite perspective.  (I know the Generations review starts with a bunch of nitpicking about the props that you wouldn&#039;t care about, but trust me, it gets a lot better.)

One of the big epiphanies I had from seeing those reviews was that in the movies&#039; attempts to make Picard and Data more interesting, it also pushed them way out of character.  Picard becomes reckless and quick to anger, and I guess someone got tired of the &quot;emotionless android&quot; thing, so they used Data&#039;s emotion chip to allow Brent Spiner to ham it up for the rest of the movie series... and thoroughly annoy anyone who wasn&#039;t charmed by his performance.

Then the 2009 movie betrays Star Trek in a different way.  To me that&#039;s the one that really broke the &quot;odd-numbered rule&quot;, as the way it dumbed things down and emphasized action seemed more in line with the even-numbered movies.  Part of its appeal is the broad, in-joke type references to things people remember from the original TV show, so it&#039;s easy to enjoy on a surface level, and I appreciate the difficulty in how many things this single movie had to accomplish; but if you really love the Star Trek franchise as a whole, the 2009 film can leave a bad taste in your mouth, I feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I just remembered this review today, and how it&#8217;s neat to see how the Star Trek films come off to someone who&#8217;s never seen the TV shows.  Have you been introduced to <a href="http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/" rel="nofollow">Plinkett Reviews</a> yet?  Its popularity took off when it started analyzing the Star Wars prequels, but in the beginning it was about a longtime fan of Star Trek who wanted to air his grievances about the new-series Star Trek movies in a humorous way, about how they didn&#8217;t live up to the smart writing that the Next Generation TV series usually had, occasionally intercutting scenes from the older works to prove his points&#8211;so they let you see these movies from the opposite perspective.  (I know the Generations review starts with a bunch of nitpicking about the props that you wouldn&#8217;t care about, but trust me, it gets a lot better.)</p>
<p>One of the big epiphanies I had from seeing those reviews was that in the movies&#8217; attempts to make Picard and Data more interesting, it also pushed them way out of character.  Picard becomes reckless and quick to anger, and I guess someone got tired of the &#8220;emotionless android&#8221; thing, so they used Data&#8217;s emotion chip to allow Brent Spiner to ham it up for the rest of the movie series&#8230; and thoroughly annoy anyone who wasn&#8217;t charmed by his performance.</p>
<p>Then the 2009 movie betrays Star Trek in a different way.  To me that&#8217;s the one that really broke the &#8220;odd-numbered rule&#8221;, as the way it dumbed things down and emphasized action seemed more in line with the even-numbered movies.  Part of its appeal is the broad, in-joke type references to things people remember from the original TV show, so it&#8217;s easy to enjoy on a surface level, and I appreciate the difficulty in how many things this single movie had to accomplish; but if you really love the Star Trek franchise as a whole, the 2009 film can leave a bad taste in your mouth, I feel.</p>
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		<title>By: kRemit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kRemit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You always have to see the movies in their historical perspective. the themes and movie-plots correspond to their historical environment: insurrection has scenes that are eerily reminiscent of scenes you could see on TV at the times: people fleeing Kosovo. Similarly, the environment just became a hot issue when IV came out, and at the end of the cold war, we got VI. 

any franchise will lose when viewed as some sort of -thon; also, I thought the nemesis and the 2009 crap-athon sucked. 

oh, and data is completely different in the tv series, but since the writers wanted to kinda develop his character (which is, by virtue of being a robot, static) by implanting this weird emotion-chip - it kinda killed the &quot;original&quot; data, who was kinda similar to spock from TOS, as in logical, unconcerned with emotions, but really, secretly, envying others for their humanness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You always have to see the movies in their historical perspective. the themes and movie-plots correspond to their historical environment: insurrection has scenes that are eerily reminiscent of scenes you could see on TV at the times: people fleeing Kosovo. Similarly, the environment just became a hot issue when IV came out, and at the end of the cold war, we got VI. </p>
<p>any franchise will lose when viewed as some sort of -thon; also, I thought the nemesis and the 2009 crap-athon sucked. </p>
<p>oh, and data is completely different in the tv series, but since the writers wanted to kinda develop his character (which is, by virtue of being a robot, static) by implanting this weird emotion-chip &#8211; it kinda killed the &#8220;original&#8221; data, who was kinda similar to spock from TOS, as in logical, unconcerned with emotions, but really, secretly, envying others for their humanness.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Chen over at SlashFilm recently did a piece called &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/14/harry-potter-through-fresh-eyes-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerer%E2%80%99s-stone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harry Potter Through Fresh Eyes&lt;/A&gt; that you might find interesting - similar idea; he watched through all the HP films before seeing the new one (with no prior knowledge of the books or films).

For my part, I enjoyed your perspective on the Star Trek films, but I have to disagree with the questions about why old Trek fans liked the new film. I think the majority of Star Trek fans are fairly casual - they may have seen a great many episodes of the various series, but they&#039;re not so precious with the material that they should mind it being used to take the franchise in a new direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Chen over at SlashFilm recently did a piece called <a HREF="http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/07/14/harry-potter-through-fresh-eyes-harry-potter-and-the-sorcerer%E2%80%99s-stone/" rel="nofollow">Harry Potter Through Fresh Eyes</a> that you might find interesting &#8211; similar idea; he watched through all the HP films before seeing the new one (with no prior knowledge of the books or films).</p>
<p>For my part, I enjoyed your perspective on the Star Trek films, but I have to disagree with the questions about why old Trek fans liked the new film. I think the majority of Star Trek fans are fairly casual &#8211; they may have seen a great many episodes of the various series, but they&#8217;re not so precious with the material that they should mind it being used to take the franchise in a new direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Silverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled here due to instructions on how to screw the system (.aa file conversion). Laughed my @ss off at this post. Very funny. I&#039;m not a trekkie, but have enjoyed ST and TNG. Loved the new movie. As a pastor, I find some interesting parallels for what we do in the church (not explaining, etc).  Thanks for the laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled here due to instructions on how to screw the system (.aa file conversion). Laughed my @ss off at this post. Very funny. I&#8217;m not a trekkie, but have enjoyed ST and TNG. Loved the new movie. As a pastor, I find some interesting parallels for what we do in the church (not explaining, etc).  Thanks for the laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: A Star Trek Virgin Speaks Up &#171; SoggyChewToy</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Star Trek Virgin Speaks Up &#171; SoggyChewToy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for saving me from a good 20 hours of my life.  Well, 16... the girlfriend wants me to sit down to watch all of the old ones with her, and you&#039;ve basically convinced me to watch 2 and 3 and stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for saving me from a good 20 hours of my life.  Well, 16&#8230; the girlfriend wants me to sit down to watch all of the old ones with her, and you&#8217;ve basically convinced me to watch 2 and 3 and stop.</p>
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